Curse

Improvavel · Sep 17, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

nerf nerf nerf
why is everyone here on the forums nagging about nerfing?
i never hear the word buff around here which is strange
nerf flare pl0x

A simple example.

Lets say you have a skill "Kill enemy team".

Then you have one "kill half the enemy team".

Then you have one "kill 1 member of the enemy team".

And at the end you have one skill "deal 50 damage to target enemy".

The first 3 are basically the same with different numbers. The 4th is quite a different skill.

The first 3 skills any monkey can use and achieve something. The last skill achieves nothing on its own - you need to know how/when to use it. Considerations like cost, recharge, casting time needs to be considered.

Evidently, if everyone had the skill "kill enemy team" the fastest to press it (or the person with less lag) would win. But then there is no point on having a complex game in the first place is it?

Very efficient skills are simply to easy to use and make conditional skill pretty much obsolete.

The power creep that everyone talks about happened because of the imperative of Anet selling the new chapters. To make people buy the new chapters they decided to increase the power of the MOBs (size and level) and create new more powerful/efficient skills to allow players to beat those new mobs (or just plain stupid ones like obsidian flesh and its "new" souped up version SF or Ursan, etc).

After a point they decided to restrict the most powerful skills to PvE only, but the damage has been done to PvP. And really, to PvE as well, because it isn't really fun playing with obsidian tanks (unless what you want is the shinny things and not to actually play), take 500 damage in one hit or kill the enemy in 1 sec.

Basically, more powerful skills reduce the complexity of the game, and clever cunning tricks are overwhelmed by absolute numbers.

A complex game keeps the interest for longer.

Sankt Hallvard · Sep 17, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Mikelenn

Whats the point in nerfing shove lol, TA wont exist very very soon

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Well, they could nerf shove and THEY WOULDNT EFFING HAVE TO DELETE TA?

Sankt Hallvard · Sep 17, 2009, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

That wouldn't fix it. I've ran it before with Backbreaker with equal success, it's slightly harder as you have to build adrenaline but it's just as imba and nearly as brainless. There's also grapple.

You could just completely alter the functionality of stonesoul strike you know. Target foe loses 1..5 energy or what not, or just smiter's boon it. It would completely end the retarded shovespike build and "legit" wammos can still use bane sig and holy strike.

Martin Alvito · Sep 17, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

nerf nerf nerf
why is everyone here on the forums nagging about nerfing?
i never hear the word buff around here which is strange

By volume, there are more underpowered skills than OP ones.

But a small number of OP skills wreaks a lot more havoc than having 50% of the skills in the game be worthless. 50% of 1000 skills is a lot, right? Enough to have diversity, anyway. But if four or five skills are OP, they grab their half-dozen best friends on every bar and the other four hundred skills we could be using never see use.

You only hear people asking for buffs when the game has been balanced for a while and becomes stale. That definitely isn't the case right now in PvE or PvP.

Life Bringing · Sep 17, 2009, 03:57 AM // 03:57

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You only hear people asking for buffs when the game has been balanced for a while and becomes stale. That definitely isn't the case right now in PvE or PvP.

When was the last time gws was "balanced"?

moriz · Sep 17, 2009, 04:51 AM // 04:51

three years ago.

Catchphrase · Sep 17, 2009, 05:26 AM // 05:26

Escape and Lightning Reflexes needs a dire nerf; so long it stays in its current state, any buffs made to melee skills will be abused by rangers more than the aimed profession instead.

Life Bringing · Sep 17, 2009, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Classic Anet nerf is anticipated.

For 1...7 seconds, you move 33% faster and have a 75% chance to block attacks. All your attack skills are disabled for 10 seconds.

Master Ketsu · Sep 17, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

I will watch as they nerf escape and ignore everything else.

Then laugh as R/A still lame halls using a sin elite.

SpiritThief · Sep 17, 2009, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by keli

Because you don't understand GvG. FA is not pvp its pve...

Now a serious question to myself. Why am I arguing with PvE players who think they understand and good at PvP? I am an idiot I know

So is GvG, hence the NPCs your killing in them.

Krill · Sep 17, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You only hear people asking for buffs when the game has been balanced for a while and becomes stale. That definitely isn't the case right now in PvE or PvP.

People almost always want buffs, but not necessarily in the manor anet has been doing for the past 18 months or so. For example one suggestion I've heard a few times is lowering eviscerate to 7 adrenaline. That might get it back into the meta and while it would be power creep per se, it wouldn't be the sort of ridiculousness we've been receiving.

At this point in time, much as I'd like to see "good" skills like evise back in the meta, I'm more inclined to believe a large number of small nerfs would be better for shifting the meta. Buffing skills basically forces people to use the new overpowered builds while many small nerfs would have a more unpredictable effect that might actually allow a variety of builds (a healthy meta) to evolve. I would hope anet has learned by now that on the PvP side, the enthusiasm for massive skill buffs dies down after about one week when players are horrified by the new meta.

Azure mist · Sep 17, 2009, 06:33 AM // 06:33

I want warriors endurance back :/

Master Ketsu · Sep 17, 2009, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You only hear decent players asking for buffs when the game has been balanced for a while and becomes stale. That definitely isn't the case right now in PvE or PvP.

Fixed.

Bad players are asking for buffs all the time.

Tijger · Sep 17, 2009, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Commander Kanen

Reminds me of when touch rangers first came out. just like this a simple spamable build that pissed people off.

just lol.

Well, the cause was the same really, expertise can be used for things it wasnt intented for.

SpiritThief · Sep 17, 2009, 07:32 AM // 07:32

I just think rangers should be played like rangers.

Bows ftw

AmbientMelody · Sep 17, 2009, 09:42 AM // 09:42

I understand your optimism people, but I'm not quite sure you understood what Linsey said ... take into account he was fairly trolled in his talk page and most probably 'tomorrow is not never' meant a 'RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off noobs, we are working on it'. Lastly, he didn't say they release an update that 'tomorrow', no? He simply said that balancing team WILL LOOK INTO R/A case the next day, and when they come to a working solution it will get implemented to future update to be due on X day from now on.

fowlero · Sep 17, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

I understand your optimism people, but I'm not quite sure you understood what Linsey said ... take into account he was fairly trolled in his talk page and most probably 'tomorrow is not never' meant a 'RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off noobs, we are working on it'. Lastly, he didn't say they release an update that 'tomorrow', no? He simply said that balancing team WILL LOOK INTO R/A case the next day, and when they come to a working solution it will get implemented to future update to be due on X day from now on.

Just fyi and that, but linsey's a woman.

Also i'm pretty sure "We are nerfing the R/A build tomorrow. Calm down. Tomorrow is not never" means tomorrow there's a skill balance.

Especially since they said they'd already delayed one last week and it would be released this week.

Anon-e-mouse · Sep 17, 2009, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

... take into account he was fairly trolled in his talk page... Lastly, he didn't say they release an update that 'tomorrow', no? He simply said...

Linsey's had gender re-assignment surgery?

moriz · Sep 17, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Linsey's had gender re-assignment surgery?

complications from the PAX pox, i'm afraid.

QueenofDeath · Sep 17, 2009, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Life Bringing

Classic Anet nerf is anticipated.

For 1...7 seconds, you move 33% faster and have a 75% chance to block attacks. All your attack skills are disabled for 10 seconds.

Oh I would love that one for rangers.

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I just think rangers should be played like rangers.

Bows ftw

Sorry, but, you're thinking of archers instead of rangers when you say Bows ftw.

Rangers typically in dnd are dual wielding light armor wearing trappers. When I first started playing dnd I wanted to be and was a ranger. I like that they get a little of everything (even magic), but, aren't as powerful as a warrior (unlike in GWs where rangers get every gd overpowered buff and ease of use of skills). I loved dual weilding a longsword of fire and a rapier of keen in dnd. Dual wield is not handled well at all in GW's. In fact it's pretty rediculous that all melee classes can't use it like in dnd with different weapons in each hand.

GW has never been politically correct when it comes to characters and their abilities anyway. Everywhere I go now practically all I ever see is A/? or ?/A and when you have that many A's in the game that means something is wrong with the class and overpowered that so many players want to use it.

Hopefully at least this update will end some of the ranger rediculousness of rangers and when they nerf SF to smithereens then too will A/? and ?/A become a thing of the past.